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TARIS 2014

Post by Admin on Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:42 am

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Well, it looks likely we'll have a new tax replacing both IMU and TARES (rubbish tax) next year called TARIS. The IMU replacement is called TASI and the TARES replacement is called TARI. The TASI component will go 100% to the comune. It will also be payable by the owner and the tenant in a proportion between 90:10 and 70:30 respectively to be decided by the comune. It seems the TARI will be payable by the tenant as now. Of course this could all change. The comuni can varie the rates but the total must not exceed the old IMU rates plus 0.1% (ie max of 0.7% and 1.16%).

It looks like the TASI will be based on the cadastral value (like IMU) but the TARI will be based on the sqm (like TARES) just to make the calculations complicated! The rates bandied about were 1 per 1,000 or 0.1% for TASI and €0.30 per sqm for TARI. No news on reductions or exemptions.

We'll have to see what exactly comes out of the discussions this week but one thing looks pretty certain and that is the end of IMU.


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Re: TARIS 2014

Post by Cassini on Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:00 am

We had ours printed off as it will be sent to England. Payment in one instalment had to be made for the 16th September. Although we have a 60% reduction. No bins near us. The number of occupants was listed as 3 not 2.  If it had been 2 then it would have been lower than the previous rifuiti bills! I wonder whether they decide that you will have visitors so increase the number? Is this worth challenging?
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Re: TARIS 2014

Post by stevegwmonkseaton on Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:33 am

I would suspect they don't know the number living there and simply guess!

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Re: TARIS 2014

Post by Cassini on Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:39 pm

Oh but they do!
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Re: TARIS 2014

Post by Casa Monal on Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:37 pm

Cassini wrote:We had ours printed off as it will be sent to England. Payment in one instalment had to be made for the 16th September. Although we have a 60% reduction. No bins near us. The number of occupants was listed as 3 not 2.  If it had been 2 then it would have been lower than the previous rifuiti bills! I wonder whether they decide that you will have visitors so increase the number? Is this worth challenging?





Same here, 3 instead of 2 and they know it's 2 pirat absolutely worth challenging Exclamation We did, bill's been reduced, but I think I can forget a refund for the past six years pirat not going to give up on it though, enjoy a challenge
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Re: TARIS 2014

Post by Admin on Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:27 am

You won't get a refund for the last 6 years as basing it on the number of people at the property is new this year. Before that it was just on the size of the property.
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Re: TARIS 2014

Post by Casa Monal on Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:21 am

Admin wrote:You won't get a refund for the last 6 years as basing it on the number of people at the property is new this year. Before that it was just on the size of the property.

No, not the number of occupants, yep that’s the first time that’s on the bill.  What we’ve been trying to get them to correct for the past six years is the square metres. We have copies of all our correspondence and bills dating back six years and for the first time they've acknowledged that we’ve been overcharged. Progress… no offer of a refund though but I intend to stay on the case… Twisted Evil
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Re: TARIS 2014

Post by Admin on Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:07 am

Best of luck!!
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Re: TARIS 2014

Post by lancashire lass on Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:32 am

Our council (Bagni di lucca) is not charging second house owners with Taris is this the case with all the councils? and it has also decided not to charge any further Tari, (they said there would be another payment to be made december) Not sure i believe them!!

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Re: TARIS 2014

Post by stevegwmonkseaton on Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:46 am

Well you can acces the official documents for your comune HERE at least your comune has produced 3 separate documents, but unfortunately, like ours, they seem to be a scan... Far too much for me to translate. Reading ours it would seem they are charging IMU + TASI (no mention of TARI (rubbish tax) ) for a main resindence, but it could just be my reading of it incorrectly. Feel a trip to the comune coming on!!

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Re: TARIS 2014

Post by Admin on Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:29 am

Well Apricale is not charging TASI at all. I suspect that is because they kept IMU at last year's levels and so are already up to 10.6 per thousand. No mention of TARI yet so I guess we have to wait for the bills for that.
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Re: TARIS 2014

Post by stevegwmonkseaton on Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:54 pm

Well we got our other 2 RUBBISH (TARI) bills today... 3 and 4th parts. In total for 130SQM liveable space we paid €216. No idea what the UK charge us these days and could not find out from the council site - another to complain about when back... Sure it's still cheaper living here in Italy...

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Re: TARIS 2014

Post by casa del campanile on Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:08 am

stevegwmonkseaton wrote:Well you can acces the official documents for your comune HERE at least your comune has produced 3 separate documents, but unfortunately, like ours, they seem to be a scan... Far too much for me to translate. Reading ours it would seem they are charging IMU + TASI (no mention of TARI (rubbish tax) ) for a main resindence, but it could just be my reading of it incorrectly. Feel a trip to the comune coming on!!



On-line property tax info;
Does anyone know if there is “public” information available on-line, or anywhere else for that matter, that one can access to determine if a particular property is “current” with property tax payments, (IUC, IMU, Taris, whatever)?
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Re: TARIS 2014

Post by stevegwmonkseaton on Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:12 am

casa del campanile wrote:
stevegwmonkseaton wrote:Well you can acces the official documents for your comune HERE at least your comune has produced 3 separate documents, but unfortunately, like ours, they seem to be a scan... Far too much for me to translate. Reading ours it would seem they are charging IMU + TASI (no mention of TARI (rubbish tax) ) for a main resindence, but it could just be my reading of it incorrectly. Feel a trip to the comune coming on!!

On-line property tax info;
Does anyone know if there is “public” information available on-line, or anywhere else for that matter, that one can access to determine if a particular property is “current” with property tax payments, (IUC, IMU, Taris, whatever)?
Thanks,
Fred
Hi Fred
I guess you mean paid and up to date on the house? I doubt very much this information would be available anywhere but the Comune, but Modi would likely no for sure. To me it looks like most Comune now have a standard web site forced upon them centrally, have some accountability and contact information. I've emailed ours before (last year) as we knew we had a refuse tax bill due and told them we were in the UK and could they tell us the amount. Not only did they do so, they emailed us a copy of the bill. Guess it will depend on how good the comune are at their job, ours have always been very good. This is an example link for Bagni DL where they give all the contact details. [url=http://www.comunebagnidilucca.com/bdl/risorse/telefoni 2013 per sito.pdf]PDF LINK BDL[/url] I've looked up this information for a number of comune for others, it seems to be standard . The Ragioneria I guess would be the email to use for any such query, but Modi may know of an on-line site. To be honest I don't know how you would find out such information in the UK...

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Re: TARIS 2014

Post by casa del campanile on Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:24 am

Thanks for your response. Basic concern is, having assisted a number of folks with their tax submissions, we have no way of learning the accuracy of our submissions until maybe several years down the road upon receipt of an underpayment of tax notice with the attendant penalties, fees, interest, whatever. Guess a visit to the Comune is necessary to ascertain the accuracy of our tax payments.
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Re: TARIS 2014

Post by modicasa on Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:28 am

yep, you need to go to the comune and to each respective office - its doubtful they will have a centralised system!

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This has always also been a slight concern of ours...

Post by stevegwmonkseaton on Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:00 am

casa del campanile wrote:Thanks for your response. Basic concern is, having assisted a number of folks with their tax submissions, we have no way of learning the accuracy of our submissions until maybe several years down the road upon receipt of an underpayment of tax notice with the attendant penalties, fees, interest, whatever. Guess a visit to the Comune is necessary to ascertain the accuracy of our tax payments.

This has always also been a slight concern of ours... However we do keep copies of all the payments made, initially made manually, but now via an on-line account. The latter has something that seems to be electronic verification of payment, so I'm guessing this is acceptable. Would guess the real trouble would start if you ever have to provide proof of payment!

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Re: TARIS 2014

Post by casa del campanile on Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:34 pm

In the States, should one file a tax return with an underpayment of tax, the IRS will be "on your doorstep" before the glue dries on your envelope; with an overpayment your grandchildren have a 5% (or less) chance of reimbursement.
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