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Post by Admin on Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:18 am

I read today that whilst the government have upheld the suspension/cancellation of IMU for 2013 on prima casa for the second installment, like the one in June, the comuni have until the 9th December to declare at whch rate it will be payable. This means the cancellation is declared at one rate then the comuni hike the rate and we will alll have to pay a 'mini-installment' by 16th January to cover the difference. Watch this space as I'm sure it'll change again!
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Re: IMU 2013

Post by logitech on Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:36 am

Thanks for the update

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Re: IMU 2013

Post by Gala Placidia on Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:10 pm

Thanks, Admin. I am starting to think that insanity is becoming endemic amongst Italy's politicians and public servants...
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Re: IMU 2013

Post by ghiro on Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:07 pm

Well we've paid the 2nd installment of this year's IMU today, having paid everything for the rubbish earlier in the year.

So either I'm very smug or living in a fool's paradise! Surprised Surprised Surprised


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Re: IMU 2013

Post by Gala Placidia on Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:59 pm

We also paid everything during our last visit. My poor hubby had to run around quite a bit to get everything sorted out. Not living there permanently, we really can't pay in installments. We need to pay everything while we are there.
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Re: IMU 2013

Post by ghiro on Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:23 pm

It's a man's job to 'run around' Gala.  Otherwise they have no purpose in life! Very Happy
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Re: IMU 2013

Post by stevegwmonkseaton on Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:30 pm

Big thanks Admin... They are getting nothing from us, they had their chance. So if there is a mini prima casa amount they can go and whistle!

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Post by Vicino on Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:01 pm

Thanks Admin, I feel there may be more to come on this ?

My VERY limited understanding is that we have to pay 40% of the difference in the amount IF our comune were increasing the 4% from last year ?? Ours was increased to 6% from the 4%.

I believe this has to be paid by 16th Jan ?

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Re: IMU 2013

Post by modicasa on Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:38 am

Its all a mess.  You should technically pay 40% of the hike by 16 Jan, but nobody quite knows 40% of what.  I thought it was 40% of the difference in the last change, and not the one that preceded the setting of the rates in June.  Others think it is different.  Nobody knows.  And to cap it all, the first tranche of your Tares/TUC is also due in January and they haven't even decided how to spell it yet.

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Re: IMU 2013

Post by ghiro on Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:04 pm

Gala Placidia wrote:Thanks, Admin. I am starting to think that insanity is becoming endemic amongst Italy's politicians and public servants...
According to today's Sunday Times (Travel page 14) under the heading 'La Vita e Bella':

'Buying an Italian holiday home looks even more appealing than usual....  It seems Enrico Letta is on course to scrap the unpopular municipal real-estate tax (IMU) for good - the September and December 2013 instalments have been cancelled'.

It goes on to say:
'And from January 1, Land Registry Tax, which is paid by buyers on resale properties, will be reduced by €900 per €100,000 of the sale price for second homes and by €1236 per €100,000 for first homes'.

Am I to believe the Sunday Times? Question

If so will I get my December IMU payment refunded? Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Re: IMU 2013

Post by stevegwmonkseaton on Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:49 pm

Ghiro, wish we knew the answer. It seems like it is still thought that the comune can/could/will take a little if you are resident. If none resident, then you pay...

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Re: IMU 2013

Post by modicasa on Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:03 am

The ST is wrong.  There was no September tranche of IMU to cancel this year.  and for 2nd homes nothing was cancelled.
If your commune set the IMU at above 0.4% and you paid only 0.4% as your aliquots then then you have to pay 40% of the difference by 16 Jan,  unless you already have done.  Most 2 homes were set at 0.76% or more, but some communes  set the minimum thinking they would be bailed out. 

Fees do change from 1 jan, but for second homes there is really no difference.  Instead of 7+2+1% you for a 2a casa you will pay 9+two fixed boll - so it all depends on your catastal value as to whether you will save anything, or in fact pay more.  There will be a saving for 1a casa.

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Re: IMU 2013

Post by Neil D on Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:46 pm

I'm hoping the nice lady  Twisted Evil at the Comune will work out how much I am supposed to pay.  When I spoke to her this summer she said to email her to remind her to work it out.  I said  that's a bit like dropping the executioner a brief note to remind him he's supposed to chop your head off!  She was a little amused but I expect no mercy.  What she couldn't tell me was whether the State would be expecting an IMU payment on second homes.  Does anyone know about this?
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Re: IMU 2013

Post by Gala Placidia on Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:52 pm

There is no exemption for second homes.
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Re: IMU 2013

Post by Neil D on Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:02 pm

Gala Placidia wrote:There is no exemption for second homes.
Does that mean there is also a payment to the State?  I ask this because I made two payments in June - one to the Comune and one to the State and then in September the Comune said there wasn't supposed to be an IMU state payment in June!
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Comune got it wrong

Post by stevegwmonkseaton on Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:42 pm

Neil D wrote:
Gala Placidia wrote:There is no exemption for second homes.
Does that mean there is also a payment to the State?  I ask this because I made two payments in June - one to the Comune and one to the State and then in September the Comune said there wasn't supposed to be an IMU state payment in June!
Neil, I think your Comune got it wrong and payment was due if it is not your prima casa  Sad

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Re: IMU 2013

Post by modicasa on Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:09 am

In 2012 you had to make 2 payments with 2 codes to the local ente and the state.  In 2013 this was simplified so you made one payment to one code and the state sorted it out.  

As a second home you pay, but you make one payment usually under code 3918 if its a normal house.  Obviously if you own it with your other half you pay half each.   
If your commune has upped the aliquot in the last couple of months, you should pay the new aliquots in December, and calculate the increase on the original rate for the first six months - there are web sites that will do this for you.  Or pay what you think you should pay, and then sort it out later...

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Re: IMU 2013

Post by Neil D on Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:08 am

The problem was in June I made two payments (well, six actually on behalf of myself and two sisters) three under Codice Tributo 3918 to the Comune and three under Codice Tributo 3919 to the State.  So, it seems as though I had inadvertently carried on using the 2012 two-payments system.  Anyway, I've emailed the Comune and said this is how much I think I should pay and, if I don't hear otherwise, will do so.  Oh, and I have to add an extra 5 Euros per payment to cover the cost of  the 'bonifico'.
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Re: IMU 2013

Post by modicasa on Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:30 pm

F24s carry no cost, and you shouldnt have to pay any bonifico charge at a bank.

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Re: IMU 2013

Post by Neil D on Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:44 pm

modicasa wrote:F24s carry no cost, and you shouldnt have to pay any bonifico charge at a bank.
It seems the Comune's bank makes a charge to them but who knows.
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Re: IMU 2013

Post by Carciofo on Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:48 pm

Oh God, I'm SO confused about IMU.  I thought the idea of the F24 was that it was supposed to be fairly easy to do, but having paid it in 2012, I was still completely baffled when it came to 2013.  In the end we took it to a commercialista who charged an arm and a leg to do it.  

Has anyone published an IMU For Dummies?

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Re: IMU 2013

Post by Neil D on Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:16 pm

Carciofo wrote: Has anyone published an IMU For Dummies?

In a country where, according to today's estimate, tax evasion runs at 130bn Euros annually, 'IMU for Dummies' is taken as read.  It is only for dummies.
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Re: IMU 2013

Post by Carciofo on Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:14 pm

Si vero

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Re: IMU 2013

Post by Gala Placidia on Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:50 pm

Well, see it in a different way. All this confusion keeps a few public servants busy and justifies their employment... Twisted Evil
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Oh dear....

Post by stevegwmonkseaton on Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:15 pm

Gala Placidia wrote:Well, see it in a different way. All this confusion keeps a few public servants busy and justifies their employment... Twisted Evil
Oh dear.... Embarassed  Embarassed

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