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Post by sebastiano on Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:17 pm

i'm" ,honestly not sure of all the details but it seems that "they" intend to levy IMU on land in comuni below 600mtres.what is curious is that the lands to be taxed ,unless you are a farmer/coltivatore diretto,whether they are cultivated or not will be determined by the altitude of the comune itself.
to attempt clarity and give you an example a nearby town Amandola is in fact at an altitude BELOW 600mt.although much of it's territory is higher this means that non farming land owners will be taxed on their land EVEN IF IT IS ABOVE 600MT.this creating much outcry as you can imagine.This is not however a local law this is coming from the government.The mayor of this town in what really is only a provocative statement has said..in that case he will move the comune itself to a place above 600mt.
So anybody who has either by intent or casually acquired a sizeable packet of land with their house could end up now with quite a big bill....so lets follow developments
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Post by Admin on Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:13 pm

The decision has been put back to June 2015 but it does look like they are seriously going to bring something in. It had to be put back as they didn't give the requisite 60 days notice before the new tax was due. It's worse for us as despite being farmers and our property being entirely over 280m the comune is at 273m so we'd have to pay IMU. Ridiculous!
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Post by Flip on Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:16 pm

Sebastiano, I think this is just 'hearsay' at the moment, as I recall this mentioned somewhere else earlier this year. Firstly it would be nigh impossible to monitor as most Comunes do not have the ability to classify the exact ASL measurements and also this would be a discriminatory levy which I understand this Government is  keen to avoid.
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Post by stevegwmonkseaton on Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:13 pm

Mmmm don't really understand this as I thought tax (IMU/TASI, whatever) has always been payable on land Question

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Post by ghiro on Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:51 pm

When we bought Casa Ghiro in 2006 it came with about 14 acres of land.  Some of it is around or near the house but we also own 4 other plots - 2 of which are so rural we have never been able to locate them! Sad 

We're just below 300m but the Commune is way lower.

Currently, I believe, we only pay IMU on the house.  I'll not be a happy bunny if we also in time have to pay it on the land.
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Post by Admin on Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:32 pm

Flip, it wasn't heresay. It was actually announced by the government and hastily recalled when they realised they couldn't legally bring it in for December 2014. The official position is that any decision has been postponed until June 2015.

Every comune is already listed officially at a certain ASLM with ISTAT who also issues a list of what they consider to be mountain comuni. This used to be the basis in whether you paid ICI or not - ie are you in a mountain comune.
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Post by Flip on Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:09 pm

Sorry got wires crossed on this, thought the ruling was to individual properties, not Comunes. Our Bagni di Lucca (allegedly the largest single comune in Italy in area) ranges from 100m to over 1000m ASL and we also pay the 'Mountain Road Taxes' so one presumes it would be classed as a Mountain Comune.
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Post by sebastiano on Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:51 am

Flip wrote:Sorry got wires crossed on this, thought the ruling was to individual properties, not Comunes. Our Bagni di Lucca (allegedly the largest single comune in Italy in area) ranges from 100m to over 1000m ASL and we also pay the 'Mountain Road Taxes' so one presumes it would be classed as a Mountain Comune.

hi,yesterday i bumped into our gemetra and asked him about this.He confirmed "it's on it's way" so, to give you an example because bagni di lucca is presumably below 600mt even if parts of it's territory are much higher would be classed by the altitude of the comune itself this is the injustice of the thing so people say at 800mt would be denied " the mountain status"
this is what it appears at the moment.of course there is a lot of opposition/talking/arguing going on so we'll have to wait and see what happens
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Post by Flip on Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:24 am

You gotta love Italian Law Makers, if it's possible to invent a harebrained scheme to extort more money  out of people, they'll come up with it. Doesn't matter if it's justified or fair ........ Feckin' Idiots.
Try Taxing people who have links with Mafia/Camorra/N'drangheta see how far they get.......
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Post by Admin on Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:14 am

All change as ever. I read today that IMU on land WILL be payable for 2014 but the deadline has been put back until 26th January. As no official document has been issued yet there is always the possibility for change in both the deadline AND the rules. What is wrong with this country? Why do they do this year after year after year?

So all the olive farmers who have had an appalling harvest and terrible weather including flood etc (that have also affected other crops) also now have to pay tax on their land when before they were exempt. Any other ways to kick person while they're down??
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Post by modicasa on Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:38 am

Its a mess isnt it?  IMU has always been payable on land, but at the discretion of the comune.  This is now being removed and the basic rules will be: 
0-280 m asl everyone pays.  280 to 600 Coltivatori diretti and aziende agricole are exempt.  Over 600 its mountainous so everyone exempt.   As the comunes dont have to decide before 15 Dec, and IMU is due on 16th, its hugely probable it will slip to next June, but whetherr you will have to pay for 2014 in June, or only the first 6 mths of 2015 is anyones guess.  Also comunes will have some say in the matter, at least of extending the exemption.

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Post by Admin on Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:56 am

Well I read today here it will be due for 2014 and the deadline will be 26th January they reckon.

Our comune may not be over 280m but it's like Mach Picchu round here! WTF qualifies as mountainous if not that?
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Post by modicasa on Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:11 am

If you have a piece of vertical land that is catasto as semi inativo or some such, then your RD catastal value is so low as to be negligible.  I did some IMu calculations for clients and the IMU was coming out to less than a euro.  If you've got uliveti, etc then it will be a fair amount, but uncultivateable land should not come out as a ruinous amount.

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Post by Admin on Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:16 am

It's all uliveto but at a pretty steep angle. It's like the Cinque Terre here.....
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Post by stevegwmonkseaton on Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:28 am

modicasa wrote:Its a mess isnt it?  IMU has always been payable on land, but at the discretion of the comune.  This is now being removed and the basic rules will be: 0-280 m asl everyone pays.  280 to 600 Coltivatori diretti and aziende agricole are exempt.  Over 600 its mountainous so everyone exempt.   As the comunes dont have to decide before 15 Dec, and IMU is due on 16th, its hugely probable it will slip to next June, but whetherr you will have to pay for 2014 in June, or only the first 6 mths of 2015 is anyones guess.  Also comunes will have some say in the matter, at least of extending the exemption.

Thanks Modi, so is the only change the fact the Comune discretion has gone or is there a change to how the ASL is calculated?

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Post by modicasa on Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:37 am

Basically its that the comune/province/region no longer has a say in it!

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Post by Admin on Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:43 am

..and that they have introduced bands according to the height of the comune. Before, the exemption was based on a list of mountainous comuni issued by ISTAT.
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Post by Cassini on Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:08 pm

Perinaldo has just discussed this and considers it inequitable. It is refusing to implement it for a range of reasons, including raising IMU on 'other properties' to the top level. It is also calling for its repeal and lobbying everyone....

We'll see what happens later in 2015....
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Post by ghiro on Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:57 pm

Bravo for Perinaldo. Smile   But with a population of less than 1000 one wonders how much clout they have at a national level?

Perhaps, hopefully, many other comuni will follow their brave lead.
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Post by Cassini on Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:06 pm

Small is beautiful. This is Italy, who knows what new taxes tomorrow will bring.
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Post by Admin on Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:17 am

The Region of Liguria have refused to implement it. Everyone is awaiting the outcome of a court case this week that (I think Lombardy or one of the other regione) is taking place to see if it is even legal. It's a case of watch this space.
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Post by Sagraiasolar on Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:23 am

 It seems that the important court case was lost on the 19th with the result that IMU on land for 2014 is due on 26th Jan.  The community at large has been notified by telepathy as is the norm in Italy and now there are 3 days left to figure out how to add up ones land parcels and figure out what is due.
Great news for folks with a failed olive crop and a field or two....  I really wonder at the sense behind this move. There is a new wave of declining prosperity in the area here - shops closing and dwindling queues at the supermarket - and any sudden drain on funds will tip the local economy downwards - call it 'Quantative Diseasing'.  Closing businesses means less tax revenues etc etc.
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Post by Admin on Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:46 am

The Cia, Confagricoltura e Alleanza delle cooperative agroalimentari (all farming unions) have advised their members not to pay it. They are pushing for it to be put back until June so that the criteria can be revised. There might still be something happen before Monday. We'll have to see.
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Post by stevegwmonkseaton on Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:55 pm

This LINK for La Stampa has just been posted on Abruzzolutely , looks like all change... I'm sure we will all eventually know what is to happen....

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Post by modicasa on Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:34 am

You need to pay it, or not - the sanctions if you leave it till June or any time in 2015 are miniscule.  Leave it for more than 3 years and the fines start to build up to about 25% of the outstanding fee.  For the first year they are 0.03% or something.
However, you wont be able to get out of it, no matter what the comunes and others say.  Its been on the statute books for yonks, all they're doing is closing the loopholes.

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