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Post by anniet2 on Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:28 pm

Where can we buy logs for a woodburning stove in the Le Marche (MC) region?
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Post by Geotherm on Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:52 pm

The best idea may be to ask your neighbours, especially if they buy them in. Otherwise, there may be a woodyard that supplies beams etc to local builders. There is one here, near Amandola, that we bought from, but do not know where you are in MC and how far they deliver.

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Post by stevegwmonkseaton on Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:27 pm

If you need them now, then go to your local ferramenta, most here in Abruzzo sell them. Some local supermarkets also sell them, but obviously do not have them on display. I think Geo is suggesting the locals will know the best place in terms of cost and quality, which is quite correct. Not bought any yet this year, last year they were about €150 per pallet (12 quintale I think) for both oak (quercia) and beech (faggio) from our local ferramenta.

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Post by The Original Relaxed on Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:06 pm

Agree best to ask your neighbours - but otherwise www.paginegialle.it is your online Yellow Pages, and the category where you will find stufa wood is Legna da Ardere. The location you can make specific, or more generally you could just enter Marche (or Toscana, whatever) and from the list find the one nearest to you.
It's very expensive to buy logs from a supermarket, (though if you have no place to store logs it may be a good option). It's also expensive to buy palleted wood - (though this is usually very good dry wood, crane offloaded, so no effort involved in stacking) which might suit.
It really depends on how much wood you need for your purposes, and whether economy is more important than convenience.
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Post by Vicino on Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:47 am

There are lots of log sellers around the area, as we don't know where you are, it is difficult to suggest anywhere.

IF you are anywhere near the Servigliano area, there is a ferramenta (Emporio Natalucci) on the main road(past Hotel San Marco) that has them palleted up outside.

We get ours delivered from another supplier so I can't comment on quality or price. For what it's worth, we pay €14/15 per quintale delivered.

Good luck and welcome !

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Post by anniet2 on Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:05 pm

Thank you very much for your replies and warm welcome.
We're not actually going out until March but we always have trouble finding logs despite seeing piles outside many private houses.  Macerata is our nearest big town and we found some once in 'Self' at Piediripa but they were rubbish!  We only need a small amount but we do have a place to store them on the terrace.  With your advice we are sure to find some, thank you.

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Post by Angela Fuller on Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:54 am

Maybe March is not the best time to be sourcing wood....Normally best in the summer, go to local consorzio and ask them..They will tell you who, closeby sells wood.....sold by the quintale unless you want expensive supermarket small bags...it's all about timing......where I live you would be lucky to find any for sale now.....all sold...
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Post by stevegwmonkseaton on Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:27 am

It just goes to show how different areas of Italy are, we have often bought logs in March and had no problem finding them or with the price. Also supermarket prices in some places (small local village market) were cheaper per quintale than some of the ferramentas. Our local ferramenta has had almost the same price for the last 5 years, which always surprises me each year. I'm sure I've heard of situations where people who don't have storage room can leave them where they buy and only pick up enough when wanted.

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Post by Angela Fuller on Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:46 pm

It does amaze me how cheap and available things like logs seem to be in Abruzzo....all our local wood peeps have sold out of wood come the end of Nov....prices far more than you quote Steve....As you over-winter in the Uk maybe you do not experience the 'quantity and quality' thing us hardy folk do......normal price here is 14 - 15 euros a quintale here for seasoned wood...when you can get it !
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Post by stevegwmonkseaton on Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:01 pm

Angela Fuller wrote:It does amaze me how cheap and available things like logs seem to be in Abruzzo....all our local wood peeps have sold out of wood come the end of Nov....prices far more than you quote Steve....As you over-winter in the Uk maybe you do not experience the 'quantity and quality' thing us hardy folk do......normal price here is 14 - 15 euros a quintale here for seasoned wood...when you can get it !

I suspect this is an "our local ferramenta" thing, although friends of ours did pay less than us for loose oak last year (€12/qt). I did mean to mention that our ferramenta also started to advertise loose wood in bulk, which was a little less per quintale, but not much. At the moment we are using the pallets to store the wood in different areas according to age (we also collect a small amount of our own). We use the old pallets for kindle, however we will likely at some point try buying loose logs. Not too sure about the "hardy" bit, it's forecast to be -15 in Scotland tonight, with 13c over most of the north. We've done both, most of the time staying in Italy over winter, once or twice being in the UK. With 22c in Abruzzo yesterday, it's not difficult which is the best choice!

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Post by Angela Fuller on Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:52 pm

Ah ha Stevee, Temps plummeting here now....maybe 5c mid-day...maybe snow on its way......Sorry, thought you have gone back to the UK the last few winters.....a difficult choice...here has been lush, far better than UK weather but maybe all change now, Feb means the 'white weeks'.....brrrrrr
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Post by Vicino on Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:55 am

SO FAR !!!! GULP!!

This winter has been BEAUTIFUL during the day, yes, there is snow forecast for the coming weekend (not a lot), but we still need heating for the evenings.

We get our logs late July/early August and they arrive as a mixture of woods and sizes which is perfect for us, looking back at last years bill, it was €14 per quintale and has been that price for some 6/7 years!

Having said that..............(and knowing it is the cheapest form of heat), we may well stick with our gas central heating next winter. €€€€€€€€ ! Crying or Very sad 

But it would save us some €850 cost of wood AND more importantly for us, save us work EVERYDAY,....... cleaning the stufe, bringing logs in from the loggia, storing in the indoor baskets and then transferring from the baskets to the stufe ........ generally it should be a somewhat cleaner and easier set up.

I'm sure a time & motion expert would think we were mad !

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Post by Angela Fuller on Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:24 am

I agree Vicino, this winter has been the best ever.....but as you say, we do light the fire around 3.00 when it starts to get chilly.  We have an open fire in a small room and a big cooking stufe which heats the bulk of the house when things get really cold..... All alot of work but I don't think we could afford running the heating system...tempting though it is......We were lucky / unlucky enough Nov '13 to have a huge branch of oak tree land on the roof of the house whilst still attatched to tree high up.....some very nice and handsome firemen came and made it all safe and left us a load of oak which we are slowly cutting up...
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Post by stevegwmonkseaton on Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:52 am

I for one would put on even more kg's if it was not for lugging logs and chopping them over winter! The wood burner we have take 33cm logs nicely and that's what we buy. They sell 25cm, 33cm and 50cm where we buy, same price per pallet. Don't think we could ever use gas to heat if friends nearby are anything to go by. The one winter they were there (most they spend in UK) they filled up their tank at least 3 times we know of and if I recall correctly it was costing over €600 each time... €850 for wood seems high, but I guess it depends on what else you have, we also pay for sansa for additional heating and domestic hot water.

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Post by Sagraiasolar on Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:05 am

You might be interested to know that in Umbria (Umbertide) the price for a quintale delivered in a pile has fallen over the past few years and is now €10  There has been an influx of cheap Eastern European wood cutter labour and this has combined with 'the crisis' which has made land owners go for the crop sooner rather than later.  I expect a reversal in a year or two as so much of the area has been cropped already.  For a 300mq farmhouse we use at least 100 quintale which generates about 25,000 kW.hrs or the equivalent of  over €6,000 of gas.
If anyone wants a true eco-house ours is for sale (schooling reasons) 
http://www.ipncastello.com/Sales/property.aspx?property=1.51190
#what with income from the PV panels we actually make a profit on all energy and anyway there are a few thousand trees to cut if you can get enthused with a chain saw.
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Post by stevegwmonkseaton on Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:22 pm

What a lovely house Sagraiasolar, good luck with the sale. Thanks for the information on the wood costs, I'll take another look around at the wood prices locally when we next need some. Most of the wood in our area comes from Eastern Europe, or so it's stamped.

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Post by Geotherm on Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:53 pm

My 50 quintale bought about 10 years ago, is now down to about 30, so another 10 years or so to go Very Happy . Ours are all about 50cm long.
Only use the fire at most a couple of times a year, ( Christmas and New Year, but the house then starts to get to 30C), as never really needed, but it is available as a emergency backup if the heat pump has a problem, i.e. mains power failure. Other than that, they sit undercover awaiting their next burn time!!!

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Post by ghiro on Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:00 pm

A beautiful house indeed Sagraiasolar.  You must be sad to have to put it on the market.

Our hovel (by comparison) is surrounded by forest so we get our wood from there.  Cut down year 1, leave lying around year 2 and cut up and log year 3.  Lots of hard work but it keep us warm with our 2 open fires.  But we also use the gas central heating when the temperature really plummets! Sad
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Post by stevegwmonkseaton on Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:14 pm

ghiro wrote:A beautiful house indeed Sagraiasolar.  You must be sad to have to put it on the market.Our hovel (by comparison) is surrounded by forest so we get our wood from there.  Cut down year 1, leave lying around year 2 and cut up and log year 3.  Lots of hard work but it keep us warm with our 2 open fires.  But we also use the gas central heating when the temperature really plummets! Sad

Ghiro, think you will find it is best to cut and split a.s.a.p. It will season quicker if you do, and be a lot easier to split it if needed Smile

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Post by ghiro on Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:46 pm

I'm sure you're right Steve.  I'll suggest it to the men in my life (who have rather rigid logging views) and let you know their response (if I survive!).
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Post by Vicino on Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:00 pm

This 'woodwork' is just a tad too much at times, delivery, stacking, then everyday, picking up logs from the loggia, carrying them in, putting them in the log basket, taking them out of the log basket, putting them in the fire(s) and then throwing the ashes out.  It is somewhat tiresome at times !

We do have a 1000ltr gas bombola (moved from Goldengas to Beyfin last year - foc), but we have to limit it's usage due to access issues.

I like the idea of these smaller bombolas, presumably above ground, it might be an idea for years to come. We use our 1000ltrs for cooking, heating, boiler etc, so I'm not sure how many smaller one would need.

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Post by Geotherm on Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:21 pm

It all depends on how much gas you are using V. We had a couple of 47kg units in a small apartment and they needed to be replaced about every 2 weeks in winter, that plus the wood and paraffin/gas heaters to keep warm.
Look at getting a couple of air/air inverters for the heating and just keep the gas for cooking and hot water.

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Post by Sagraiasolar on Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:07 am

Our big bombola has been removed - hurrah - no more fencing and safety issues and a big hole to plant an olive tree in.  The small jobs now used cost €36 a refill and last 2 - 3 months, mainly for a well used range cooker and almost zero blasts of a gas boiler.  All this made possible by wood burning of course and as Geotherm says a heat pump is a very fine thing (and in the same ball park as wood burning for economy)
I quite agree with Vicino about the log lugging. You do keep really warm for little money but by the end of the winter the novelty wears off.
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